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Ep. 244: How this digital nomad stays productive while living on the road with Chase Warrington

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In this episode, I speak with Chase who is an American expat currently living in Spain.

He’s the head of Business Development at Doist, a leading remote-first company, and a contributor for some of the top remote-work outlets, such as Remote-how, repeople, Future of Work, workforce, and others.

After calling a half-a-dozen countries “home”, Chase is passionate about making location independence the new norm and helping others step into a life beyond their borders via his podcast, About Abroad.

Listen on to find out how Chase continues to be productive even while on the road.

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Transcription:

Debbie:

Hey everyone. Thank you so much for being here. I am super excited because I am here with Chase.

Hey, Chase. How are you?

Chase:

Hey, Debbie. I’m good. Thanks so much for having me. Great to meet you finally.

Debbie:

I know. It’s so nice to finally meet you, to talk to you, and to really learn more about you.

So before we get to your entire journey, can you tell us a little bit more about you and why you live an offbeat life?

Chase:

Yeah, sure.

So I currently live in Spain, I’m from the US originally and I am one of those people that just always had a desire to travel and live in other countries. And just kind of thought when I graduated from college, that that was sort of a young person’s game and that I wouldn’t be able to do that. I had to, of course, settle down, start the career, all of that.

But unfortunately, or fortunately, I guess, couldn’t shake the desire to just keep traveling and seeing other places. And so really decided that, although I had a remote setup, I was geographically limited and I really had to shake that and find location independence.

So I’ve been on a journey to do that ever since then and I’m fortunate enough to have complete location independence and the career that I love but also getting to travel around the world with my wife and our Siberian Husky. And we live in Spain currently, but spend a couple of months out of the year, traveling around in our camper van or elsewhere throughout Europe.

Debbie:

That is pretty incredible. And there are so many things in my head right now, but the first thing I thought of was like, “You have a dog and you can travel all over the world. How is it?” ‘Cause I’m like, “I’ve seen people travel with their kids. How hard is that to travel with your dog?” I’m sure it’s a lot less troublesome.

Chase:

You know what’s funny? I joke ’cause my brother has two young kids and we joke that the one time that I have it harder than him is when it comes to traveling because it is not easy. And I will say, like, I think we were more of, like, digital nomads for a couple of years, but it got really exhausting and kind of sucked the joy out of it, trying to move around with a big dog.

So we kind of like as much as we wanted to keep seeing lots of new places, it became much more fun overall to sort of just be in a settled place, have your apartment and your place to call home, and then kind of go off from there. So yeah, it’s not super easy, but it’s well worth it. He’s crisscrossed the Atlantic and the equator multiple times.

Debbie:

Oh my gosh. That’s the very well-traveled dog. I’m like, “Such a lucky dog,” but that’s also really interesting that you find that traveling with him is harder than when your brother travels with his kids. I never would’ve thought that, but that’s so funny.

Chase:

Yeah.

I mean, you don’t have to fill out customs forms and get vaccinations and time up meetings with the USDA when you’re traveling with your kids. So that’s the joke we have, but no, it’s all well worth it in the end. It’s been a lot of fun. Like, we’re a little family and we’ve gotten to be able to see the world together, which is all well worth it, of course.

Debbie:

That is awesome.

So now one of the things that you also spoke about is that transition, right? You were a remote worker and then you became a digital nomad and now you wanted to have a place to kind of be your base. And a part of that decision was because of your dog.

And it’s so interesting because I’ve talked to a lot of digital nomads who transitioned to a place in their life where they did decide to have a base because it does get exhausting, right? So aside from obviously making sure that the dog is more comfortable, how did you come to the conclusion that you wanted something more different?

Chase:

Yeah.

You know, what I realized was like, “I am a bit more of a creature of habit than I maybe wanted to believe that I am.” So I was, like, thriving in a way from the adventure standpoint of life when we were digital nomading. I’m super enthralled by seeing a new place, by experiencing new cultures and people. And that part of me was living totally fulfilled.

But there’s another side that’s very professional-oriented and wants to have a solid career and I’m very social. I like to have a core group of friends and also just little things like having a dedicated place to go work and a gym to go to.

So I’m a little bit more of a creature of habit than I think I wanted to believe at one point.

Debbie:

Yeah.

Chase:

And so I needed both sides of that equation to thrive, I think.

So that was what really led to it. Like, I could have the best of both worlds if I have location independence, I can have the routine aspects that helped me thrive professionally and from a health standpoint and a social standpoint. And then I can also have to get a good taste of adventure by traveling a handful of months a year.

And so I think it was very calculated, but also like took place over a, probably, three or four year period to, like, really arrive to that point.

Debbie:

It’s really interesting when you think about it because a lot of us wanna leave our nine to five because of the routine, right? We wanna get out of the monotony of waking up at the same time, not doing the things that we really wanna do.

But then like you, Chase, I came also to the same conclusion. Like, I actually like the routine. I like to have systems, but it’s the systems that you create for yourself, not necessarily because other people are making you do it.

So there is a difference to that, but creating habits are so important to succeeding and making sure that what you’re doing is really valuable for that lifestyle that you wanna do. But I do have to say there are people that really love not having anything set. Like, every day is so different. I don’t know how they do that ’cause I’m like a mess when that happens, but I don’t know about you.

Chase:

Absolutely. Yeah.

I mean, something you touched on right there is like, “It’s all about choice and it’s so cool.” Like, I love to see this kind of remote work movement that’s happening. I do like that the core of my day-to-day work is involved in that and it’s all about options and choice.

So like, if you are the kind of person that wants to, like, wake up every morning and not know what your day looks like and not sure where you’re gonna be working from, and you can thrive in that environment.

And if your employer allows that and says like, “Yeah, you can get your work done in that environment.” Then you should have that option. Like you shouldn’t be in this like rigid system of like, “Okay, well you have to show up at this office from nine to five, ’cause that’s what we say.”

But then also if you’re that person that needs that office and needs that structure and thrives in that environment, you should have that option to you as well. And I feel like those options are becoming much more available. I don’t know if you feel this way, Debbie, but like when I graduated from college, there were not really options.

Like, you just had to go for one route and I love that it’s becoming more of, like, you can tailor, make your schedule where you live, how you work, all kind of to the type of lifestyle that you wanna live and how you’re the most like productive and the happiest.

Debbie:

Yeah. Absolutely.

I completely agree with you on that one. I feel like the people like us, Chase, who has been doing this for a few years and I’ve talked to people who have been even doing this for like 10, 20 years, like, working remotely, I’m like, “Oh my God, these people are the pioneers.”

And we’re kind of still in that stage because like you said, we weren’t taught how to handle this type of life when we were in school, right? Like, you go to work, you go to your nine to five, you do all those things that you need to do. And then you retire and nobody prepares you for this. And this is a completely different way of living. And it does take a while to really understand, to find your own groove of how you can make this work for you.

So I think a lot of people go into this thinking that it’s gonna be easy. They’re gonna have a ton of freedom, but you have to understand that there’s also a lot of responsibility that comes with that freedom that sometimes can be a hindrance to work, to your life as well.

Chase:

Absolutely.

I came across this really interesting discussion from this guy, his name’s George Munford. He was like the mindfulness coach for Michael Jordan and other people like before mindfulness was a word that anybody knew this guy’s like kind of a genius.

And he talked about this thing called the dizziness of choice where it’s like, basically like how the more options you have available, how like you kind of become paralyzed. Like, I don’t know, analysis paralysis might be another way to word it.

He wasn’t talking about digital nomads or remote work or anything. But it resonated with me because I was like, “Yeah. When you have all the options in the world: where are you gonna live, what time are you gonna work, it can throw you for a loop and like, it’s a privilege and also like something you have to work at and not take it for granted.”

So I found that really interesting.

Debbie:

Yeah.

I think that’s such a great way of saying that it’s a responsibility to put yourself in that position. That’s why I think a lot of people maybe go into this and then they also find out that it’s not right for them. But I do have to say, because, Chase, you work for a company and you have a new job title now, right? Can you tell us more about that? That’s really interesting.

Chase:

Yeah, sure.

I have a really odd job title now that I’m still getting adjusted to but I’m absolutely thrilled about it. If you haven’t noticed already, I’m a total nerd for talking about remote work and location independence and I work for a company called Doist, which is a software company but what’s a bit more interesting, I think than what we do actually is creating a couple of apps. The one that we’re most known for is the to-do list which is like a productivity app.

And then we have another one called Twist, which is a team communication app. But we’re a fully remote team and we have been for over a decade, we’re around a hundred people in 35 different countries and everybody spans all time zones and we work very asynchronously.

Meaning we don’t care when people are working where they’re working from, we don’t clock in, we don’t expect immediate responses, we don’t expect any of our teammates to be working at the same time necessarily. It sounds very chaotic on the surface but it actually works really, really well. And we’ve been very successful working this way for a long time.

But what my new role is focused on is basically that remote aspect. Really making sure that we’re thriving in terms of the way that we work remotely.

So with the explosion of remote work, there are tons of new tools and technologies, and best practices being shared. There are emerging products and services that could serve us and we wanna stay on the cutting edge of that.

And then we also want to keep advocating for remote work to help it become the rule, not the exception. We’ve been a part of that for a long time. It’s been important to us as a company, but now it’s my full-time job to kind of be on that bandwagon. So that’s a dream for me because it’s a lot of fun, but yeah, that’s a little bit about the background of the role.

Debbie:

Amazing.

I mean, who knew that you can have a position like Chase in today’s world? It’s so funny.

Chase:

I didn’t. I didn’t know but now that I do, I’m happy. I mean, it is a lot of fun.

Debbie:

I mean, how many people will you meet that have Chase’s job description? Probably not many.

Chase:

Probably I’ve met about four or five.

 

Honestly, I met a handful and I reached out to the other ones. Some of them I kind of already knew from crossing paths in other locations. There’s a handful of people out there that this similar director of remote or head of remote or something like that, and that they have a similar job description.

It’s so fun to talk to them and hear kind of how they’re inventing this new role. But it’s a little trendy right now and it’s been a lot of fun.

Debbie:

Yeah.

And it’s just gonna keep growing because I mean, right now with everything that’s been happening in the world, we were all forced. Everyone was kind of forced into this working from home, remote lifestyle, but I think a lot, well, not think, I know a lot of people have gotten a taste of it, and maybe before they were a little scared and now everyone’s like, “How can I do this full time? How can I make this part of my life fully?”

And now there are people like Chase who make sure that it is working well. And it’s so interesting that you have a job that allows you to help people do this.

Chase:

It’s a dream really, because like I said earlier, and I kind of alluded to this and I imagine you can relate like early on and it’s been 12 years. My career so far spans 12 years and I’ve always worked remotely, but I always felt that I had to make sacrifices to work remotely.

And so for instance, like just coming outta school, passing on better-paying jobs that would’ve required me to go live in a city and go to a major office, but other jobs which were semi-remote and maybe didn’t pay quite as well or weren’t as prestigious, but they would allow the flexibility.

And so that at several stages throughout my career, it always felt like, “Oh, I gotta make these sacrifices just to be able to do the same job from wherever I want.” And I hate to think that, it never made sense to me. And I love the thought that maybe I can contribute to the people behind me not having to make those sacrifices.

Because I think it’s silly. We have the capability to work from where we want right now. So there’s no need for most of us to have to make that sacrifice.

Debbie:

Yeah, that’s really true.

And also like I mentioned before, you’re not prepared for this. You’re not taught in school for this. And I hope that this is becoming the normal now, remote work, that they really prepare more people in school for this type of lifestyle.

Chase:

Yeah.

That’s another piece of what we’re doing and we have a whole blog portion of our blog set dedicated to this. It’s a lot around like remote work education: how to be a great remote worker, as an organization, how to set up good remote work best practices, how to stand out as an applicant for prospective jobs.

And so we want to help educate on this. Like, we’ve learned a lot over 10 years of being a fully remote organization. So we’re all about just trying to pay it forward and share that knowledge.

So yeah, that education bit is super important because like you said, we don’t get taught that. So, it has to be found somewhere.

Debbie:

I’m sure a lot of our listeners are thinking about this because you describe the company that you’re working for, where you have all of this freedom, right? That they’re not really on your backs, making sure that you’re doing what you need to do, as long as you’re doing it. And now we’re all excited for this company.

How can somebody actually apply for a job there at least find a similar company or for a position and what are they looking for?

Chase:

Yeah, it’s a great question.

So the very cool thing for anybody really wanting remote work right now, and even more so like location independence, because I think these two things are growing at a similar trajectory, is there are tons of jobs going that route. Like, three years ago, pre-COVID, there were still very limited.

Now there are tons of job boards that are being dedicated just to remote work, even like more niche within remote work, like just for developers or just not for developers or just in this language or that language or outside the US or inside the US.

So there are really tailor-made options for you and some of the best ones for people looking for remote work that I would suggest looking at are WeWorkRemotely.com, Remotive.io, and FlexJobs, are three of the ones that I generally recommend people go to find their remote work options at. Our company, we are currently hiring Doist.com/jobs. You’ll see a few openings there.

But there are just so many great opportunities arising. Like you said, my role didn’t exist not that long ago. And I remember when I found the company that I work for now, and I found the job that I initially came to work here for, it was on a Pinterest board of like 75 companies that are hiring remote workers to work for anywhere. And only two of them were not developer jobs.

And I reached to one of them, which is the company, which was Doist, and I ended up coming to work here.

Anyway, there are so many options now. And what those teams are looking for generally like painting some broad strokes, they really want great communicators in a virtual setting. So that means like the written word. So those people who put a lot of emphasis on their verbal skills.

You and I obviously we’re both podcast hosts. We like to talk to people so this might sound a little bit detrimental to some people, but it doesn’t have to be. The point is to really refocus on your written skills. You’re gonna do most of your communication asynchronously, meaning like in the written form.

And so really hone in on how you write, being very succinct, but thorough. We screen applicants very heavily more so based on their initial application and how they’re writing more so than the content or the skills portrayed in their resume or CV.

So like being a really good written communicator, showing that you can manage your own work without having somebody overlooking your shoulder, that you’re kind of a go-getter and a self-starter because we can’t look over your shoulder, literally. We’re on opposite sides of the world. These are a couple of the things that we’re really looking for even before getting to your skills.

Debbie:

That is so valuable to learn because not many people will probably think about that, right? They’re like, “Well, I did this and then that…,” but even if you had some success with your other jobs, but they weren’t remote, it’s a completely different beast if you’re not there to be face to face with someone.

But the great thing is you can always improve on your skills. You can always improve on your written skills, your verbal skills. So if you just keep at it, I’m pretty sure that you’ll get there. If you feel a little nervous right now you’re not confident in something, but there are so many opportunities out there, like you said, Chase, that there’s gonna be something out there for everyone.

Chase:

There are, yeah.

For all skill sets, it seems there are positions available. And there’s also even like remote work schools emerging, there’s a great one called Remote-how that I teach some classes for. I mean, they literally will walk you through, like, if you have no experience in any given field and also no remote work experience, they’ll make you seem like a pro in a couple of weeks.

And so anyway, these kinds of things are popping up to serve this need and this desire for remote work. So again, I’m a nerd for this stuff. So I can keep talking about it.

Debbie:

Yeah. I know.

That’s why I’m like, “Tell us more, Chase, tell us more.” For me, I’m really interested in it ’cause I’m like, “What is it like out there? How do you do it?”

Chase:

Yeah.

So I love that these courses are emerging, like, literally people walking you through the tools that teams are using and what the companies want to hear, how to implement best practices and give yourself a routine, even just down to like creating a workspace for yourself.

I mean, I worked for a couple of years remotely without ever having any dedicated workspace. Like, I was some days on the couch, some days in my bed, some days at a coffee shop and that was totally inefficient. It didn’t make any sense.

So even getting on to the real basics and kind of starting from the building blocks can be really useful.

Debbie:

Oh my God.

Can I just tell you, I know exactly how that is because we were moving our place and I was completely inefficient? Like you said, I was on my couch, on a dining table, on my bed. And now that we’re more settled with our space here, I actually have an office and I work so much more efficiently. I work better hours. I’m like, “Oh my God. I didn’t realize how that was not good for my productivity at all.

I have an office now and I’m like, “There’s such a huge, it’s like a night and day difference. It’s so crazy.”

Chase:

It is. it seems obvious in retrospect, but it’s never obvious upfront. We think we’re a lot better. I think we think we’re a lot more productive and a lot better multitaskers than we actually tend to be. Like, this is probably true for most people. So if we kind of like protect ourselves from ourselves, by giving ourselves a good environment, then we can take that away from ourselves.

Debbie:

Yeah.

We have to protect ourselves from ourselves. I love that. That is awesome.

So now I wanna talk about your life now because you are in Europe and you also travel around in a camper van when you’re not in your base. So how is that like? How is it like traveling throughout Europe? Were you able to do that during the pandemic or did you have to find a base?

Chase:

Yeah.

My wife and I came to Spain almost four years ago on a one-year visa and expected to just stay for one year. And we thought we would just move every three months or so. We thought we’d continue digital nomading. Like, we’d just bounce around, check out a couple of different parts of Spain that we hadn’t seen before and learn some Spanish and then move on to our next place.

But we got to Valencia and really partially, like, we’re kind of like, “Wow, we’re in love with this place. And also this would actually make a great home base.” Like, we’ve been looking for that and we don’t really want to keep moving around with the dog and everything. Like, maybe let’s try staying here for the whole year and we’ll just do some trips from here.

So that’s kind of how our life here started. And then we just kept renewing our visa and it really has started to feel like home. Like, it’s the longest either of us have been anywhere since we were 18 years old and leaving for college.

So it’s really become like a little bit of home here in Valencia. And we decided to buy a camper van to just be able to see more. We’d seen a lot of the cities in Europe and we wanted to experience some of those like second tier, third tier towns and the countryside and the national parks and the mountain and things like that.

So that’s kind of what led to finally getting the camper van. Yeah, during the pandemic we couldn’t travel. We were confined very confined here in Spain, sometimes to our apartment, sometimes to the city, sometimes to the province. And then for a lot of the time, just to Spain.

But we’ve seen a lot of Spain now, that’s for sure. So we try to keep it to like eight months, more or less in a home here. And about four months on the road kind of scattered throughout the year, maybe one month in one place and then come back and stay for two or three months. And then go on another journey after that.

Debbie:

It’s nice that you have that routine even though it seems a little erratic a bit, but you figure that out after years and years of traveling and doing this. And I also find that a lot of digital nomads, end up finding their home base because of how much they travel because you do see a lot of different places.

And there’s something about a place that just feels like home and you wanna be there and you don’t wanna leave. And one of the best things about this type of lifestyle is you do have that option and freedom to go out there and really find your true home where it feels like it for you.

So that’s nice that you guys have found that in Spain. And it’s really interesting, Chase, ’cause I’ve spoken to a lot of different people and I think I know a lot of them that have decided Spain was it for them. So I don’t know. There’s something about that country that people really love.

Chase:

It’s something in the Sangria, I guess.

It’s a really cool place. I have to say like one thing that I’ve fallen in love with about Spain is that it’s a relatively small country as for somebody coming from the US for instance, but like within the country. I mean there are five official languages.

Literally, you can change provinces, and literally, people mainly speak the other language. The road signs are in other languages. There are the Pyrenees mountains, there are three different seas that border the country, you border two different countries, France and Portugal that you can get to in a couple of hours.

So like for someone that craves a lot of variety, I have that at my fingertips super easy. And then with Valencia, you’re also in like a major international city that sort of doesn’t feel like a major city, but it has the airport that you can hop off to the rest of Europe on really cheap, direct flights to all over the place.

So it really was, like you said, like we were sort of just like stumbled upon this and we’re like, “Whoa maybe we found a home here on accident.

Debbie:

That’s amazing. I love that.

That’s how you came by this place just by figuring things out and just exploring. And I do have to agree with you, the Pyrenees is probably one of the most beautiful places that I’ve been to. And it’s funny because this was maybe like eight years ago or nine years, maybe even 10 years ago.

One of my friends she’s from England, she’s English and she used to travel a lot and she would show me pictures of the places that she’s gone to. And then one of the places that she went to was in the Pyrenees mountains. And I was like, “Oh my gosh, I have to go there.”

So I dragged my husband, my boyfriend at that time, I’m like, “We’re going to wherever this spot is,” and we didn’t know where it was. My friend forgot where it was and we just ended up stumbling, like, we just went to the Pyrenees mountain, we were driving a car and then we just stopped off because there are just so many different spots there that are just so beautiful.

And it was funny because we just found this trail and then it led us to this abandoned village that was from like the 17th or 16th century. It was crazy. I’m like, “I don’t think I’ll ever find that place again,” but I’m like, “Wow, you’re definitely in the right place.

Chase:

Oh, that’s amazing. I love to hear that people have had that experience too because I think when people think of Spain, they think of flamenco and paella and bullfighting and like sort of what is the south of Spain, which is amazing too and all, all really, really fun.

But the Pyrenees get overlooked a little bit and they’re just super majestic. And like you said, I mean, the feel; there’s tons of little stone villages and their own languages and culture up there and it’s a really, really special place.

Debbie:

Yeah. It definitely is.

There’s something about places like these that just doesn’t seem real. It kind of looks like a movie set in a way. And then when you stand there and there’s literally nobody there for you and maybe your wife, Chase, you’re probably like, “Is this even real? How is this real?

Chase:

That I resonate exactly with what you’re saying. I think I’ve said that like a hundred times like, “Is this real, can I touch it?”

Debbie:

It’s like, “Is this a Truman show? Is this like built-in? Where are we?”

Chase:

That’s it. Exactly.

Debbie:

Love that. But that is amazing. I love that you find those little spots and bits of surprises when you’re on the road. That’s pretty incredible.

So, Chase, I do have a question for you, right?

Chase:

Yes, please.

Debbie:

So, let’s fast forward to about 30 to 50 years from now and you’re looking back at your life, what legacy would you like to leave and what do you wanna be remembered for?

Chase:

Well, that’s a wonderful question. I’ve mentioned this already. Like, I really am passionate about what I would define as the future of work. And I feel very fortunate to be working for a company that happened to be a pioneer in this area already. And I happen to be able to land in this position to help lead that charge, to make the future of work more the present and more the reality.

And it is already becoming that partly because of the pandemic, but also just because of other companies much bigger than ours and much, much more prevalent in this space than ours and some that are coming behind us that are smaller and push it along as well. But just basically pushing this future of work to become the present.

I would love to play a hefty role in doing so and give people the freedom of location independence, open up opportunities for great jobs around the world, to people from all over and see what environmental impacts can from that.

And I just think there are so many positives apart from just being the personal wellbeing and the personal work-life balance and freedom of choice that a lot of us can have. But just on a more macro, global, scale, there’s so much that can come from this. So I wanna play a hefty role in that and I hope that in 20 or 30 years, I’ll be able to look back and say that I did that.

Debbie:

Yeah.

And I can’t even imagine what it’s going to become, right? Because we see things coming into shape right now and what we’re finding as remote workers. So I can’t even imagine what’s going to happen 30 to 50 years from now.

What people are gonna be able to do, and what’s gonna be possible because of this newfound freedom that we are able to have. What the family dynamics are gonna be, how people travel, how people go and move to different countries, and how diverse it may even become.

Chase:

Yeah.

Debbie:

And also how it can help a lot of developing countries because now, you can really work at any time at any place. So there are so many possibilities. And it’s so amazing that you’re doing this and you’re one of the pioneers of this movement.

Chase:

I’m very happy to be in that in that conversation and just get to get to kind of focus on that day to day because yeah, I mean, I literally have like seen people’s lives be completely changed just by being able to get a job as a freelancer and go from literally poverty to living super comfortably. And just because they were able to get a freelancing job making five bucks on Fiverr.

So, this kind of thing is real. And at scale, like when you scale it across the world, it can really be a game-changer. I know a lot of us will take it for granted. We’ve been working from laptops and coffee shops and stuff for a long time but it could be revolutionary if it’s done at scale.

Debbie:

Now, Chase, one of the things that you mentioned, and I know I talk about it a lot, is you travel with your dog and your wife and you guys have traveled to a lot of different places, different countries, different cities. You are originally an American, you’ve traveled in Asia and Europe, do you have specific travel insurance that you guys use when you are out and about and traveling the world?

Chase:

Yeah.

So specifically a couple of resources I would love to mention here, one is Insured Nomads, which you can find InsuredNomads.com. There’s a full disclaimer there; the sponsor of my podcast but that is for a reason because I actually do love their product.

So they provide health and medical and travel insurance for the whole family, for digital nomads, expats, you name it. If anybody that’s kind of outside their borders. So we leverage them.

And then another one for prospective pet travelers is PetTravel.com. They have a lot of services, but when you’re having to change countries, there are tons of customs forms and rules about which shot needs to be given when and what paper you need.

And they sell these individual packets for like 10 bucks or 15 bucks for each individual country that are so useful. So whenever we’re going to a new country with the dog, I just buy one of those. And it spells it all out for me really nicely. So I would highly recommend those two.

Debbie:

That is awesome.

I love that you mentioned pet insurance because I don’t think we’ve ever covered pet insurance before for traveling. So yeah. I love that.

And it’s so crazy, right? Because as remote workers, there are so many things that can happen. I say this all the time, “The pandemic, nobody knew that was gonna happen.” And there were a lot of people that were stuck in places. Maybe things happened, maybe they got COVID and you’re stuck. You don’t know.

And there were a lot of insurance companies that actually didn’t cover it because it wasn’t in their coverage. So there’s a lot of things that you really don’t know. And if your insurance company doesn’t cover that, then you’re kind of screwed in the way when it comes to your health insurance. That’s why I’m really that I found Integra Global and they have a ton of comprehensive plans.

They don’t ask their members to build one because how do we know what we’re gonna need, right? Their insurance covers it all and everything is built-in. So if you wanna learn more, you can definitely check out IntegraGlobal.com and see how they can give you the coverage you need and maybe some you never knew you would. They’re pretty incredible.

I’ve been working with them for several years now and they’re one of the only insurance companies that actually covered people during the whole fiasco of the pandemic. So they’re definitely a company that could be trusted, but thank you so much, Chase, for giving us all of the information that you gave us today. We really appreciate it.

And there are so many gems and I’m like learning so much from you with everything that you gave us today, especially what it’s like transitioning from all of these different types of lifestyles that you’ve had. So we really appreciate you being here.

So if our listeners wanna know more about you, where can they find you?

Chase:

Yeah, well, you’re, you’re welcome Debbie. And thank you for having me. I’ve been listening to the podcast off and on for a while now. So it’s really cool to be here. And I appreciate you having me on the show.

People can find me, there are two different ways, mainly, if you wanna connect professionally about remote work stuff and things like that I’m pretty active on LinkedIn. And recently I’m a rekindled Twitter user trying to share more information about remote work in that space.

So you can find me at @dcwarrington on Twitter or on LinkedIn. And I also have a podcast where I talk a lot about life abroad, living more like expat style in different countries around the world. I interview people that are doing that and living similar lives and also a lot of remote work experts. So AboutAbroad.com is the website there. And if you’re interested in kind of more expat life that’s kind of the other side of my day to day. You can contact me there.

Debbie:

Love it. Thank you so much, Chase, for being here. We really appreciate you. And yeah, finally, we get to talk to each other and I get to share your journey. It’s been really amazing. Thank you again.

Chase:

Thank you, Debbie.


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