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Ep. 214: How this remote travel writer inspires families to adventure around the world with Deborah Haile

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In this episode, I speak with Deborah Haile who is a busy remote working mom, and children’s book writer. 

She is committed to seeing the world with her son Jonah and both are founders of Tiny Global Footprints, which is a family travel website that highlights their adventures around the world. 

She and Jonah have written 3 best-selling books and love to motivate and inspire other families to find their own world adventures. 

Listen on to find out how Deborah balances her work and writing life as a mom.


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Debbie: 

Hey everyone. Thank you so much for being here. I am super excited to be talking to my guest today – with Deborah. Deborah is amazing. She’s actually one of my clients. She’s also an incredible travel raider. She’s an awesome mom. 

So, Deborah, can you tell us about you and why you live an offbeat life? 

Deborah:

Yes, thank you so much for the introduction, and thank you for having you here, Debbie. I’m so excited. I love this podcast. 

I live an offbeat lifestyle especially now with covid. We moved to Miami, currently living here, ’cause it was just the best thing to do. I work from home and my son went virtual. And so I was like, “Why not? Let’s go and move ourselves to somewhere where we can do many things and enjoy the weather at the same time.

Another, I guess, is writing about all our travels with my seven-year-old. I mean, now he’s 7 but he’s been to ten countries. So we write books about all the countries we’ve been to. We have two bestseller books so far: one is on The Search for Elephants in Thailand and another one is Finding My Amigo in Cuba

He has his own book coming out at seven years old, it’s called Basketball or Soccer and, obviously, Debbie has been helping me with all the promotional stuff, I’m beyond grateful for that, and my website.

And so just trying to do this “mompreneur” is what makes me live this offbeat life but while I have my full-time professional career as well. So that’s the end of the long story, I guess.

Debbie:

I love your story, Deborah, because you allow us to see what’s possible before you transition, right? And I think a lot of people think that It’s not possible, it’s not easy, obviously it’s not easy, especially with you because you have a full-time job. You’re a mom and you have to balance all of these things, right? 

But what you’re doing right now is you’re setting yourself up to be able to do this so that you’re not just automatically leaving your nine-to-five and then you don’t know what to do. You’re actually making sure that you have everything set in place and you’re building something before you start transitioning

So for you, Deb, what have been the most important things that are part of your transition that’s really helping you make sure that this brand that you’re building, that this business that you’re building is going to be sustainable and something that you can actually do full-time later on if you do choose to?

Deborah:

Yeah. So I want to be able to do it full-time at some point but at the same time, I do have this love for my profession, for my career, that I’ve been into the last 12 years too. 

One of the things I try to do is stay consistent when it comes to building my brand, building my book as an author, writing, inspiring other families to travel by providing tips and other guides to help them get there.

And also coaching women, writing as well. Another part of my business is helping women write books about their stories. There are different aspects to my brand and to my business. And also, while having a professional career is definitely hard and to juggle it all, especially being a mom as well. 

But I think when I became a mom, I didn’t even think I would leave the country. I was a traveler before, my friends and I always went everywhere together. We were all over Europe and all over South America. 

I didn’t think that was possible as a mom that I was going to do that but I’ve always had this energy and a go-getter type of personality. So I love juggling things when I’m not juggling, I think I feel lost. And I feel like I want to accomplish and leave a legacy and legacy for my son. And I also should be an example to him while I have my career going. 

I’m on video calls with attorneys all day and then I turn around and I know I have to do our author promotions for it, publishing our books, and also helping him write his books too and publishing his own book. 

So I want to be a good example for my son, that’s my main thing. And I also want him to know that he can be anything he wants to be, aspire to be, and anywhere in the world too. 

So I want to have that type of inspiration for my child but also want other families to see them and be like, “Oh, it’s doable. I can write a book and have a coaching business. Be able to travel the world with my kid and have a professional career going.” 

It’s amazing to have the ability to do it. I do feel like getting help from you with my website and others who helped me with the illustrations and the editing with my books and then, with my coaching, my clients. And so it’s always a group effort. 

It always helps to have a good, lean tribe, that’s by your side while you try to accomplish your goals. I feel like that’s been very helpful. And having Jonah being very into it, that helps a lot. He helps with the promotions and he helps with the writing and designing even though he’s only 7.

So that’s also a blessing within itself and I’m excited to have him by my side as my little partner. Basically, a business partner.

Debbie:

Jonah is such a cutie. You guys need to check out Deborah’s social media. He pops in here and there and he’s like a ball of energy when you see him and you hear him talk. I love, love Jonah.

So you mentioned, Deb, that it takes a team and it takes a village. And I think that for a lot of people who may feel overwhelmed, because we all feel like this sometimes every day, it is really about finding people who will be able to help you with all of this stuff. 

Because it’s just not possible for you to run a business, be a parent, and also have a nine-to-five that you do without asking for help and getting help as well. So that is so crucial with all of this stuff. 

And I think one of the things that are really great about still having your nine-to-five and you’re still building a business, is you do have some income to put on here, right? And I think it’s underrated that people sometimes will just be like, “Well, I just want to leave my nine-to-five and then do this full-time.”

Deborah:

Right.

Debbie:

I think what you’re doing is also realistic too.

Deborah:

Yeah, exactly. And I think people feel like they have to leave their nine-to-five to build a business too. 

I was never the entrepreneur type of person, to be honest. I always felt like my steady paycheck made me feel comfortable and I needed that. But I also love what I do in my career, just being in that legal field. I’ve always been in it for 12 years so I really enjoyed it as well. And I have stability and my income stayed consistent.

And, me, being able to do all this to do my tribe and to build my brand costs a lot of money. If you’re going to do it the right way, like, a lot of people do it themselves and they grow and they say, “Oh, I love my nine-to-five and I’m doing this.” But to be honest I don’t want to do that yet. I know I probably can do it right now if I leave my job but I don’t want to leave my job. 

I actually enjoy my job and also my paycheck. So I want to continue doing both until I feel like, “Oh, I want to concentrate only on this aspect of my career.” And so right now I enjoy doing both and I want to continue doing that until the end of the line.

Debbie:

Also, Deb, your company allows you to work remotely. Yes, you do have set times and schedules that you have to tap,  meetings, and all of this stuff. But at the end of the day, you’re working remotely. 

Like, Deb is in Miami right now. It’s nice and beautiful there. She’s not in the cold weather where I am now. Anyways…

You’re still able to balance that ’cause you still do have that freedom to spend your day wherever you want it to, still get a steady paycheck. And Deb has a job that is nine-to-five. She’s still making the income which means security for herself or her family but she’s also still able to work remotely while working on a business that she really loves.

Deborah:

Exactly. I feel like my job never ends because my full-time professional job is very demanding. I’m always, like I said, in meetings. I’m always having lots and lots of demanding deadlines, especially last-minute emergency meetings all the time. 

So my day is packed. So when I get to concentrate on my book, on my brand, and think that I want to get done like evenings and then early mornings and weekends. So limited time but I have to be kind of consistent with that and limit it to a very specific timeline in order to reach my goals with my brand. And I want to continue doing it.

It can get demanding, it can get overwhelming, and it can get exhausting actually all the time. It’s hard to juggle it. Yeah, it’s doable but it’s really hard to juggle it at the same time because everyday I’m like, “Okay, I did this. Now, I have to do this.”

It never ends, especially when you’re trying to build a brand, when you are trying to build a company and you’re trying to be a well-known author as well, in your niche, in your field, for family travel, and raise a child. So it’s always very demanding but I feel like I’m grateful for having that village. A family that helps me like those. 

When I’m concentrating on these things at night time and Jonah and daddy can do their own stuff, then it’s easier for me to just concentrate on this building and having conversations in order to reach my goals basically.

But working full time does give me this schedule. So I have to follow that schedule and I have to build my brand, my business, and my book schedule around it. But I have to make sure that I’m meeting all the demands on all aspects basically. So that’s the part where it’s a little bit hard. You get pulled in so many directions.

Debbie:

And again, the beauty of still having a nine-to-five, making sure you still have a secure income, is you can hire people to help you with all of the stuff that you don’t have time for.

Deborah:

Yeah.

Debbie:

And also, guys, make sure to listen to the extended interview with Deborah because we’re going to be talking about thi, and what we actually do together, right? Helping Deborah build her brand, making sure she has content clarity, and also really understanding the right audience for your company, for your brand before you even leave your 9 to 5. 

And that’s going to also create more security for yourself when you finally do decide, if you ever do decide, to do it full time. So, that’s amazing that you’re able to do that.

Deborah:

You’ve been amazing with that. So, no, thank you for helping me too in every way. Even talking through things with you is always great.  And like I said, having that village and that support in every aspect not only from family and friends but also having your partners in your business, is really amazing. So, thank you.

Debbie:

And I love seeing you grow so much, Deb. Like, from when we talked and then now, I keep seeing her grow and I’m just so proud of Deborah. And I’m like, “Oh my gosh,” everytime. She’s like, “I got featured here. My book is number one again, I’m like, “Oh my gosh. This girl is unstoppable.” 

It’s hard for us who don’t have kids but with Deborah, I’m like, “How do you do all those stuff? She’s like a superwoman. I don’t know.” 

Deborah:

Thank you.

Debbie:

So, Deb, let’s talk about your decision to start creating these book series with your son, right? Because what’s so unique about you aside from you just like being a superwoman is the fact that you actually started these children’s book series with your son writing about your travels all over the world, what really guided you to start doing this with Jonah?

Deborah:

Jonah and I were just traveling just to get away from the day-to-day headaches, to be honest. I was in grad school back then too. So then I just got overwhelmed and when he was like 18 months old I was like, “I want to go somewhere.” I missed traveling and being out of the country.

And then I decided to just book a trip and we’re going to go somewhere. Like I said, he was 18 months old, and we went to the Dominican Republic and we had such an amazing trip. And then when we got back like a few months later, we had to go to Eritrea where we’re from and for a family wedding – with all my family.

Dubai is only an hour flight from Eritrea so I was like, “We can go through Dubai before going to Eritrea.” And my family found that it was a crazy but really cool idea. They were like, “Yeah. You plan everything. Tell us how much we need to pay.” I did that where I booked 8 of us to pass through Dubai and had three days there prior to going to Eritrea. 

We did that and it was such an amazing experience. So before Jonah was two, he’s been to three countries basically. And then I was like, “Oh my God, this is amazing.” 

And I think a year later, we went to Cuba because my friends were going and they were like, “You should come. And I was like, “I don’t know. It’s hard with Jonah, with work.” And then they were like, “Just bring him along, he’s been to three countries already, and what’s another one?” I was like, “Yeah. But it’s a kid.” 

My friends were younger and they were all single and they were like, “It’s fine. It’s Jonah. Just bring him.” And I was like, “Okay.” So he ended up coming to Cuba with us and we had an amazing time. 

Another friend that didn’t know Jonah or us, he was a little skeptical like, “Oh. a child coming with us, I don’t know.”  But he was like, “He is my favorite child.” Jonah is really good at adapting. It’s a blessing to have a kid who’s adapting to things so easily. And so he made it easy for me to just keep traveling. 

And then we went to Thailand the next year for another with another friend. So it became like this thing with Jonah and me. 

And a lot of people keep asking me, “How do you do it? You have a full-time job and then have a child and you’re traveling to these crazy countries with him. You went all the way now you’re going all the way to Cuba.” Even though Cuba is right here, people think it’s too far away. 

And I’m like, “Yeah. It’s doable.” So I think that is what made me start writing. It’s like, “It’s doable you can do it too. Prioritize it in your family. Show your children the world and they’ll learn so much from the travels: problem-solving, learning other cultures, languages, food, and having them be in uncomfortable situations where there is no bathroom and they have to go outside. 

So thinking like you don’t think could happen but when you’re in a foreign country and it’s like, “Oh, this happens? Oh, okay. So I guess I have to do it.” So that’s been my reasoning for writing this Jonah’s Global Footprints book series. I want other children and families to do it as well. 

You don’t need to have a gazillion hours to do it. I try to, “Oh, I have Monday off. Okay, let me try to squeeze in Thursday and Friday to make it five days” So even when you have a full-time job it’s still doable. So that’s kind of like the audience I try to talk to. 

People who are working all the time and they don’t feel like they can escape their day-to-day, their nine-to-fives, and all the demands that they have to go on a trip. It’s like the value you’ll have by going on a trip is a lifetime experience with your children and you’ll never get that back even as single adults.

Like, traveling the world is something that no money can buy and it’s something that I want to continue being emphasizing basically.

Debbie:

Yeah, you’re so right. It’s those memories that we give not just to ourselves but to children as well and so much learning that happens with it. And Jonah. I think that’s why he’s so different right? 

Deborah:

Yeah.

Debbie:

Because what he’s experienced before, especially in your travels being accepting of different cultures of not always having a bathroom. That’s like first-world stuff here, guys. If you go to a different country, you may have to go outside. So it’s so funny and it’s so different when you do that, and it’s just seeing all those possibilities, which is so great. And I love that.

Deborah:

Yeah. It’s something that I tried to also emphasize when I talked to other families, to other friends. I’m like, “Yes, the challenges he faced when you’re traveling is something you’ll never face in your day-to-day. 

Debbie:

So, Deb, with you, when you are traveling with Jonah, what type of travel insurance do you both usually use?

Deborah:

Honestly, I have not used anything in the past but I am looking into good options. So I would be very happy actually if you have some. And if you, as a traveler, can recommend some for us ‘cause it’s definitely something I’m looking into.

Debbie:

Yeah, absolutely. It’s definitely something that most travelers never used to think about before covid. And then when this all happened, everyone’s like, “I need travel insurance. 

So I’m really glad to be partnering with Integra Global because as a remote worker, it’s already hard enough and it’s such a headache to find out different requirements when it comes to health insurance. 

That’s why I’m so glad that Integra has such comprehensive plans. They don’t ask their members to build a plan because how do we know what we’re going to need, right? I mean covid, who knew that was going to happen? So their insurance actually covers it all and everything is built-in. 

So if you guys want to know more, check out IntegraGlobal.com and see how they can give you the coverage you need and maybe some you never knew you would. Because that happened to so many people during covid and I’ve heard some horror stories about some people like getting it, not getting coverage, not being able to come home. And they didn’t cover that. Isn’t that crazy?

Deborah:

Yeah, people are affected all over the world. So that’s amazing to have an opportunity to be safe with the child and everything. That’s great.

Debbie:

Absolutely. 

So, Deb, let’s fast forward to 30 to 40 years from now and you’re looking back at your life, what legacy would you like to leave and what do you want to be remembered for?

Deborah:

That’s such a great question ‘cause I usually think like 5 years or 10. 30 or 40… I’m going to be old hopefully, still traveling and writing.

I want to be known for being a children’s book author but also a novelist, like, I do have a novel I’m also working on, and just being able to show the world to children who I feel, like, in the US, don’t get that explored there.

I feel like a lot of us are living in this day-to-day bubble. You’re busy with work, you’re busy with your family, friends, and doing this and that but you don’t get to get out of your bubble and go explore other parts of the world. And I want to be able to have that opportunity to inspire other families to explore the world. 

And I hope that Jonah can inspire other children to write. I mean, by then, 30 years, he’s going to be… Oh my God. The plan is for us to visit every country in the world.. So, we’re going to drag Daddy to some of them but like, Mommy and Son activities. We want to go visit every country. 

So hopefully, we’ll reach that goal as well. To be the first mom and son travelers reaching every country and every continent in the world while writing and inspiring others to do the same. And I hope to coach many many women to help them get their words out there because I know women come from all different paths of life.

And as a coach, that’s something that I work with them to kind of put their thinking, their expertise, and their experiences into paper; to write a story, to make it compelling and relatable with others so that others can get inspired by their stories to do whatever that they want to do. 

So I want to be able to help as many women as possible to get their stories out there. It’s a lot, I know.

Debbie:

But it’s also a lot of years to build all of that stuff. So you’re definitely, I’m sure, going to accomplish many, many, all of that and most likely more. So, that’s so exciting Deborah. Like, I can see a bookshelf filled with your travel books. from all over the world. That’s going to be incredible.

And it’s going to be interesting to see as Jonah grows and how that will be different when he’s like a teenager and you’re traveling with him, right? That will be so interesting.

Deborah:

Yeah, and it’s different ’cause I was in another podcast and they have teenagers and they were talking about that. And I was like, “Oh, that’s going to be different.” Jonah has been traveling since he was 18 months and you can see the progress and the changes he’s made thus far as a seven-year-old.

But then as a teenager, oh my God, I can only imagine ’cause I feel like he would be more vocal about his feelings and things as well. And I feel like the books can change and evolve into more teen-driven and more of young adult books rather than just children’s books ‘cause he’ll be older.

The point is Tiny Global Footprint for me is I chose that name because I have the vision of just children being able to see the world and also be able to be exposed to everything. They need to know that they can be anything they want to be anywhere in the world. And we just need to provide them that opportunity as adults, as uncles, as aunts, as parents, as grandparents.

And if you give them that, that’s the biggest gift you can give them. Don’t give them toys for Christmas. Take them somewhere. That’s something you can’t buy and it’s a lifetime experience.

So, yeah. I hope to continue doing that and I hope to continue doing that with my business partners. 

Debbie:

I love it. No materials, more experiences. So that is incredible. I love that. I’m definitely all for it.

So, Deb,  before we say goodbye I have five rapid questions for you that you have to answer with one sentence or less. I mean, if it goes over a little bit I won’t, like, get angry or anything. 

Alright, you ready, Deb? 

Deborah:

I am ready.

Debbie:

First question, what has been the best money you’ve ever spent while you were abroad and why?

Deborah:

We did an all-day excursion with Jonah by ourselves and it was a bit scary just because, again, I was getting used to this, like, young mom and a child and you’re traveling to a country with a different language.

But there were a lot of foreigners and it was like an all-day excursion but at the same time, I was a little scared in a way because I had my friends that we’re supposed to come who canceled at the last minute ’cause they got sick. 

As a mom, you get protective of your child, right? Because you don’t know if anything can happen. You can handle it but can your child handle it? But while on that excursion, we met so many new friends and Jonah even enjoyed it. 

I mean, I jumped off a big boat and went snorkeling. So it was like the most amazing day we’ve ever had. So experiences like that, it’s like, “Oh yeah I will do that again in a heartbeat and I will spend that extra dollar to do that.” ‘Cause that was not the plan but we ended up doing it and it was amazing.

And I always felt bad about spending extra money on food too. I think we have that in common.

Debbie:

Yeah. Deborah and I love food. So I’m all for it. So when you and I finally meet in person, you know what we’re going to be doing – we’re gonna be eating.

Deborah:

That’s for sure. Yes, all types of food.  When I’m traveling, I don’t know if my stomach gets bigger or what happens ’cause I’m like, “Oh, I want this and I want this,” and I just want to keep eating ’cause I’m,  “Maybe I would not find this type of food when I go back home.”

Debbie:

Yep.

Deborah:

It’s not authentic so I should have as much as possible. 

Debbie:

I know. It’s never the same but I love it. Oh my goodness.

Next, describe what your ideal day would look like.

Debbie:

My ideal day would be calm and not busy and more like fewer things to do. I feel like I have a million things. I wake up just thinking, “Oh, I have to do this and this is late and I have to do some of this thing. And I have tasks left for Debbie too.”

Every morning you’re in my head ‘cause I feel like I owe you something. Even on a weekend, it’s hard for me to turn it off because when I’m turning it off, I feel like I’m missing out. I’m not doing something. Something’s falling through the cracks. 

So my ideal day is to completely shut it off and to be in the zone the whole entire day. Never happened but as the whole entire day just be present. Relax and have some family time. I try to do it when we do our family days. 

But even then I always sneak into the Instagram postings, posts about the book. Check on how this is going. But if I could just turn it all off and not even go on social media all day for work, that would be amazing.

I just want to be able to do a spa day, have a family day, hang out with girlfriends, do brunch, do cocktails and not worry about anything that has to do with the work.

Debbie:

That’s the best one. You just feel relaxed. Like, outside and in your mind too because usually even when you’re like doing spar or whatever it is outside but your mind is still going like a million miles an hour or so. That’s the worst. Oh my goodness.

Deborah:

Yeah. I went to get a massage the other day. I’m trying to do massages once a month, at least. 

And the whole time I was like, “Oh and that. I forgot that…” The whole time I was thinking and I don’t know how to shut it off because, again, it’s just juggling that lifestyle of like business and then you have my career, professional job and then mom like, “Oh, did I respond to that teacher? I have to respond to that PTA thing too.

My brand and my social media… So yeah, it can get overwhelming when you’re wearing multiple hats. Even though I enjoy it, I do wish sometimes I can just turn it off.

Debbie:

Start meditating?

Deborah:

For the whole day though not just an hour.

Debbie:

So, Deb, where do you think is the best location to live in as a remote worker? 

Deborah:

Anywhere by the beach would be ideal. I’m at a beach right now, remotely working and I love it and I’m grateful to have my job. Being an international company, I get to live wherever I want to for now. 

Yeah, so having the beach close by – absolutely amazing. I do wish sometimes I can just take my second monitor to the beach so that I could just have both my monitors going ‘cause it’s hard to look at spreadsheets on your laptop. But other than that, I feel like any beach anywhere is my ideal place that I would live in for sure.

Dubai is one of our favorite places. We haven’t been to China yet but I would love to live in China or somewhere in Asia as well. I would say somewhere in Africa as well. I lived in South Africa and we love South Africa but I don’t know if that would be really it but somewhere near the water.

Debbie:

Anywhere by the beach where there’s a nice breeze going, that’s so good. 

Deborah:

Yeah, it’s comfy.

Debbie:

If you could have a superpower what would it be?

Deborah:

If I can have the power I would go into the future to know what’s going to happen.

I’m a control freak in a way. The unknown always bothers me. And even though I try to live in the moment, I just feel like not knowing really bothers me. But as I get older, I’m actually learning to be just present more and not worry about the future so much.

Debbie:

And also to have something to look forward to. 

Deborah:

Yeah.

Debbie:

That’s kind of the good thing about not knowing. I mean, it’s really annoying – I wish. But then in a way I’m also like, “It’s probably good that you don’t know because then you’ll have something to look forward to as well.”

Deborah:

Yeah, it is. But then sometimes I wish I knew covid was going to happen and I was not going to the whole 2020.

Debbie:

You would have traveled the entire2019.

Deborah:

In 2019 I was going back home. We went to South Africa, Eritrea, and Dubai. So I could have just kept going, I’m working remotely anyway.

Debbie:

You’re like, “Once December is done then we can’t go anywhere. Then everything will hit so…” With that, I’m definitely with you ‘cause I’m like, “Yeah, I should’ve gone to many different places.”

Deborah:

Not being able to plan and covid has done that too. I feel like in 2020, a lot of us started the new year like, “Yeah. We have this plan, we have that.” And all those plans went shattered and I do count my blessings for being able to provide for my family and being able to do my business, being able to publish two books even during the pandemic.

So those are definitely blessings that I count on because I know a lot of people are struggling all over the world. So I’m just helping others in any way that we can. It’s time to count your blessings and be present. Like, that’s the part of being present I think.

Debbie:

Absolutely. So what’s one thing that you wish you did sooner? 

Deborah:

I wish I started writing and blogging about travel sooner. I’ve been doing this for such a long time. I wish I started it when I was in college. That’s when I used to do a lot of international trips. I mean, I don’t think blogging was popular back in the early 2000s but still would have been fun to start it then because I can only imagine what it would have been now. 

Even when Jonah was younger, when we went on our first, second, and third trip. We started it when we were like on our 10th trip. So I wish I’d started all that sooner but again, I just didn’t think it was something that people cared about.

Yeah, they looked at it with admiration. “Oh my God, I admired that you’re able to travel to these parts of the world,” but I didn’t know that I could also help them. Give them tips and also do the same thing that I’m doing.

And I wish that I started writing sooner on my books as well but it’s never too late. 

Debbie:

Yup, we’re here now. That’s all that matters – we’re here now, right? So it’s all good. 

Deborah:

Exactly. Right here now and able to do it I’m happy about that. And again, like I was finishing my Master’s too. So I don’t know how that would be impossible to juggle that in.

Debbie:

It happens when it’s meant to.

Deborah:

Absolutely. Things happen for a reason and when they’re supposed to happen. So you just got to enjoy the process and be present and be grateful for that. And sometimes we want things now and now is not the time. So we just have to wait until it’s your time. That’s how I look at it. 

Debbie:

Awesome. Thank you so much, Deb, for being here with us today. 

For listeners who want to know more about you, where can they find you? 

Deborah:

Thank you so much, Debbie, for the opportunity.

Our website is TinyGlobalFootprints.com designed by our fabulous Debbie here.

We are also on social media: @tinyglobalfootprints_  as well on Facebook and LinkedIn. But Instagram and our website are the main resources to find us. 

Thank you again. And our books are available on Amazon – all three of them now. It’s amazing. Hopefully, everyone can go and get it. It’s an amazing book series – our travel books. And then a seven-year-old wrote his own book so that’s another cool part.

Debbie:

Jonah is incredible. 

Deborah:

Thank you.

Debbie:

Thank you so much. And also, make sure you listen to the extended interview because Deb and I are going to talk about how to build your brand authority, understand your audience, and get clarity on your content. What we’ve actually been working on together ’cause Deborah is my client. 

She’s been so amazing. And I’ve just been so excited for all the growth that I’ve seen happen to you these past few months. So can’t wait to talk to you about that. 

Alright, Deb, thank you so much for being here again, we really appreciate you.

Deborah:

Thank you, Debbie. This is a great opportunity.


Show Credits:

Audio Engineer: Ben Smith

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